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Hi Steve,

On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Steven Forth <steven.forth at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> This association of GR and SIOC is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping to
> see. Good work Sherman.
>

Thanks, kind to say :)



> Have you written it up anywhere?
>

Not yet, but a blog post at minimum is in order I think, which I'll probably
write up.


-sherman


>
> Steven
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Sherman Monroe <sdmonroe at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>>  On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) <
>> martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sherman:
>>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it
>>> is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a
>>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the
>>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I
>>> never thought of this application before).
>>>
>>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at
>>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than
>>> 200 euros:
>>>
>>> foo refers to the namespace of the example
>>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and
>>> features (e.g. eclassOWL or others)
>>>
>>> foo:martinhepp
>>>     a gr:BusinessEntity;
>>>     gr:offers foo:myWant1.
>>>
>>> foo:myWant1
>>>       a gr:Offering ;
>>>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy;
>>>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ;
>>>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>>>
>>> foo:myDreamTVSet
>>>       a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder;
>>>       pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1.
>>>
>>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1
>>>       a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ;
>>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ;
>>>       gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float .
>>>
>>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1
>>>       a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ;
>>>       gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ;
>>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ;
>>>       gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet .
>>>
>>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1
>>>       a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ;
>>>       gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ;
>>>       gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ;
>>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string .
>>>
>>>
>>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce
>>> a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link
>>> between a business entity and an offering.
>>>
>>>
>>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to
>>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc."
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>
>> The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a
>> "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only
>> thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented
>> requests (or offers to buy).
>>
>> As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the
>> sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To
>> link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use
>> sioc:replyTo, i.e.
>>
>> foo:Negotiation1
>>         a sioc:Post
>>         sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1
>>         sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I
>> live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond.,
>> just give me a call"^^xsd:String
>>
>> ...
>>
>> foo:theirOffer1
>>       a gr:Offering ;
>>       sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1
>>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell;
>>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ;
>>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>>
>> foo:betterOffer1
>>       a gr:Offering ;
>>       sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1
>>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell;
>>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ;
>>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>>
>>
>> Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while
>> enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions.
>>
>> I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the
>> above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN.
>>
>> -sherman
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sherman Monroe wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and
>>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or
>>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and
>>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse
>>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two
>>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see
>>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is
>>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with
>>> tie-ins to GR?
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1#
>>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/
>>>
>>> Tutorial materials:
>>> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey
>>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -sherman
>>
>> I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your
>> soul prospers
>> (3 John 1:2)
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Steven Forth
> steven.forth at gmail.com
>



-- 

Thanks,
-sherman

I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul
prospers
(3 John 1:2)
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