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This association of GR and SIOC is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping to
see. Good work Sherman. Have you written it up anywhere?

Steven

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Sherman Monroe <sdmonroe at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin,
>
>  On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) <
> martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sherman:
>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it
>> is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a
>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the
>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I
>> never thought of this application before).
>>
>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at
>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than
>> 200 euros:
>>
>> foo refers to the namespace of the example
>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and
>> features (e.g. eclassOWL or others)
>>
>> foo:martinhepp
>>     a gr:BusinessEntity;
>>     gr:offers foo:myWant1.
>>
>> foo:myWant1
>>       a gr:Offering ;
>>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy;
>>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ;
>>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>>
>> foo:myDreamTVSet
>>       a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder;
>>       pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1.
>>
>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1
>>       a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ;
>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ;
>>       gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float .
>>
>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1
>>       a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ;
>>       gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ;
>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ;
>>       gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet .
>>
>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1
>>       a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ;
>>       gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ;
>>       gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ;
>>       gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string .
>>
>>
>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce
>> a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link
>> between a business entity and an offering.
>>
>>
>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to
>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc."
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>
> The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a
> "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only
> thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented
> requests (or offers to buy).
>
> As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the
> sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To
> link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use
> sioc:replyTo, i.e.
>
> foo:Negotiation1
>         a sioc:Post
>         sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1
>         sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I
> live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond.,
> just give me a call"^^xsd:String
>
> ...
>
> foo:theirOffer1
>       a gr:Offering ;
>       sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1
>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell;
>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ;
>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>
> foo:betterOffer1
>       a gr:Offering ;
>       sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1
>       gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell;
>       gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ;
>       gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
>
>
> Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while
> enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions.
>
> I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the
> above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN.
>
> -sherman
>
>
>>
>>
>> Best
>> Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sherman Monroe wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and
>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or
>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and
>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse
>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two
>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see
>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is
>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with
>> tie-ins to GR?
>>
>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1#
>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
> -sherman
>
> I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul
> prospers
> (3 John 1:2)
>



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