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Dear all:<br>
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Note that the gr:seeks property is now available in GoodRelations.<br>
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Best<br>
Martin Hepp<br>
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Sherman Monroe wrote:
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Steven Forth <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steven.forth@gmail.com"><steven.forth@gmail.com></a>wrote:
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<pre wrap="">There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community.
Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve
independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper
level ontology, and site specific rules.
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<pre wrap="">My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow
independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked
approaches to using different ontologies together.
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Seeing that Martin has produced/proposed such an elegant extension to GR
(i.e. the seeks objectProperty), I suggest that the extension to GR be made.
This will cover about 80% of what is offered by TIWAN. The rest is related
to discussions (i.e. negotiations) linked to the offering, and these can be
tied to GR data using SIOC, thus no further need to modifications. That
leaves about 5% of TIWAN unaccounted for, this deals with service specific
requests, but I have some ideas of how that can be covered with no mods to
GR, please see my reply to Martin's comments for more.
Cheers,
-sherman
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com"><kidehen@openlinksw.com></a>wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Sherman:
Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically,
it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a
gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the
batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even
though I never thought of this application before).
Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at
least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive
than 200 euros:
foo refers to the namespace of the example
pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types
and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others)
foo:martinhepp
a gr:BusinessEntity;
gr:offers foo:myWant1.
foo:myWant1
a gr:Offering ;
gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy;
gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ;
gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 .
foo:myDreamTVSet
a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder;
pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1.
foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1
a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ;
gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ;
gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float .
foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1
a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ;
gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ;
gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ;
gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet .
foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1
a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ;
gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ;
gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ;
gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string .
In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could
introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of
"offers" to link between a business entity and an offering.
That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to
reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal,
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<pre wrap="">What do you think?
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<pre wrap="">Neat!
Kingsley
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<pre wrap="">Best
Martin
Sherman Monroe wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi All,
I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and
needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything
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<pre wrap="">properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want
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<pre wrap="">and
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<pre wrap="">Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse
auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the
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<pre wrap="">two
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<pre wrap="">would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely
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<pre wrap="">see
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<pre wrap="">where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is
wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN
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<pre wrap="">with
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<pre wrap="">tie-ins to GR?
[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1#">http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1#</a>
[2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/">http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/</a>
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Webcast:
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Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009:
"Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp">http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp</a>
Tool for registering your business:
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Overview article on Semantic Universe:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe">http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe</a>
Project page and resources for developers:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://purl.org/goodrelations/">http://purl.org/goodrelations/</a>
Tutorial materials:
Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A
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<pre wrap="">Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo!
SearchMonkey
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Regards,
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martin hepp
e-business & web science research group
universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen
e-mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mhepp@computer.org">mhepp@computer.org</a>
phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217
fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620
www: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/">http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/</a> (group)
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.heppnetz.de/">http://www.heppnetz.de/</a> (personal)
skype: mfhepp
twitter: mfhepp
Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data!
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Webcast:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/">http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/</a>
Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009:
"Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp">http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp</a>
Tool for registering your business:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/">http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/</a>
Overview article on Semantic Universe:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe">http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe</a>
Project page and resources for developers:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://purl.org/goodrelations/">http://purl.org/goodrelations/</a>
Tutorial materials:
Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009">http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009</a>
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