From prasantpcb005 at gmail.com Fri Sep 6 17:20:20 2013 From: prasantpcb005 at gmail.com (Kumar Prasant) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 20:50:20 +0530 Subject: [goodrelations] Question regarding gr:offers Message-ID: Dear Sir/Madam, I have a classified website www.briskom.com . I have implemented rich snippet tags on this website according to link http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Cookbook/Classifieds . But for some classifieds. I do not have price or review for some classified it give me following error. Error: In order to generate a preview with rich snippets, either price or review or availability needs to be present. Please suggest a solution when I do not have price which tag I should use to remove this error. -- Thank You, Kumar Prashant ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the recipient only. 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URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Mon Sep 9 16:11:46 2013 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:11:46 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] Question regarding gr:offers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <154E6B0D-E05C-4934-8345-34778515F751@ebusiness-unibw.org> Hi, first of all, it is important to understand that data markup based on GoodRelations can be used by search engines and other consumers for multiple purposes, not just for showing "rich snippets" or "rich captions", e.g. for fostering data extraction or as relevance signals. Only a subset of possible data patterns have direct equivalencies in the form of rich snippets. Google e.g. requires a certain set of minimum properties for an "offer" snippet. > Error: In order to generate a preview with rich snippets, either price or review or availability needs to be present. > Please suggest a solution when I do not have price which tag I should use to remove this error. This is not really an error. It just says that Google will show a snippet only if there is at least price or review or availability information. That is also natural, since these are the minimal pieces for the respective snippet template. If you do not have respective data, there is not much you can do about it at the moment. Best wishes Martin Hepp On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Kumar Prasant wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I have a classified website www.briskom.com . I have implemented rich snippet tags on this website according to link http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Cookbook/Classifieds . But for some classifieds. I do not have price or review for some classified it give me following error. > > Error: In order to generate a preview with rich snippets, either price or review or availability needs to be present. > Please suggest a solution when I do not have price which tag I should use to remove this error. > > > -- > Thank You, > Kumar Prashant > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient, any use,disclosure, distribution, printing or copying of this e-mail is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the e-mail from your computer. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations -------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! ================================================================= * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Mon Sep 9 16:17:10 2013 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:17:10 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] Question regarding gr:offers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44033B1C-7534-4D35-9B87-1087C37B3F9A@ebusiness-unibw.org> One more thing: It seems that you are missing validity information, at least in http://bhuvaneshwar.briskom.com/Ford-ikon-13v-flair-petrol-for-sale-AdId95 http://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/richsnippets?url=http%3A//bhuvaneshwar.briskom.com/Ford-ikon-13v-flair-petrol-for-sale-AdId95 You must add a statement on the validity of the price information (e.g. take the current dateTime and add 2 - 3 days. See http://ebusiness-unibw.org/pipermail/goodrelations/2011-June/000364.html Best wishes Martin Hepp On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Kumar Prasant wrote: > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I have a classified website www.briskom.com . I have implemented rich snippet tags on this website according to link http://wiki.goodrelations-vocabulary.org/Cookbook/Classifieds . But for some classifieds. I do not have price or review for some classified it give me following error. > > Error: In order to generate a preview with rich snippets, either price or review or availability needs to be present. > Please suggest a solution when I do not have price which tag I should use to remove this error. > > > -- > Thank You, > Kumar Prashant > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > This e-mail and any attachments are confidential. It is intended for the recipient only. 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If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the e-mail from your computer. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations -------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! ================================================================= * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ From david at touchpointdigital.net Wed Sep 18 18:32:07 2013 From: david at touchpointdigital.net (David Deering) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 11:32:07 -0500 Subject: [goodrelations] Marking up services Message-ID: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> Hi, could anyone please give me an example of how I could mark up a business service with GoodRelations when the price of the service varies for each customer (for example, a haircut or some type of repair) ? Can I leave out the price somehow? And what if the service is performed at the place of business where there is no "delivery"? How could I mark that up so that the rich snippet will actually display? If anyone has an example of how I might be able to do that, I'd appreciate it very much if you could post it. Thanks in advance for your time and help. David From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Wed Sep 18 19:02:30 2013 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:02:30 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] Marking up services In-Reply-To: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> References: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> Message-ID: <1146C7D8-20AC-4234-A075-1E63303602AF@ebusiness-unibw.org> David: Quickly told: If you have different prices for different offers (e.g. men's haircut vs. women's haircut), then use TWO gr:Offering / schema:Offer entities with respective prices. Another solution is to model the generic service ("haircut for men and women") and indicate the price as a range. An example (yet from pre-schema.org times and not 100% valid according to today's standards) is http://plushbeautybar.com/services.html See also http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsService Best Martin On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Deering wrote: > Hi, could anyone please give me an example of how I could mark up a business service with GoodRelations when the price of the service varies for each customer (for example, a haircut or some type of repair) ? Can I leave out the price somehow? And what if the service is performed at the place of business where there is no "delivery"? How could I mark that up so that the rich snippet will actually display? If anyone has an example of how I might be able to do that, I'd appreciate it very much if you could post it. Thanks in advance for your time and help. > > David > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations From david at touchpointdigital.net Wed Sep 18 19:25:56 2013 From: david at touchpointdigital.net (David Deering) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:25:56 -0500 Subject: [goodrelations] Marking up services In-Reply-To: References: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> Message-ID: <5239E224.1060900@touchpointdigital.net> Thank you for response, Martin, and for those suggestions. But what if, because the price would vary so much, that you would prefer not to list a price? Is that even possible, or would the markup not validate and/or would the rich snippet not display in search results? For example, what if the service was web design? Prices for web design services could vary wildly, from $1000 to $25,000. So would I still be obligated to list the price or price range with the service or can I leave it out of the markup? David Deering Touch Point Digital Marketing (504) 875-2225 david at touchpointdigital.net touchpointdigitalmarketing.com On 9/18/2013 12:01 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: > David: > Quickly told: If you have different prices for different offers (e.g. men's haircut vs. women's haircut), then use TWO gr:Offering / schema:Offer entities with respective prices. > > Another solution is to model the generic service ("haircut for men and women") and indicate the price as a range. > > An example (yet from pre-schema.org times and not 100% valid according to today's standards) is > > http://plushbeautybar.com/services.html > > See also > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsService > > Best > > Martin > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Deering wrote: > >> Hi, could anyone please give me an example of how I could mark up a business service with GoodRelations when the price of the service varies for each customer (for example, a haircut or some type of repair) ? Can I leave out the price somehow? And what if the service is performed at the place of business where there is no "delivery"? How could I mark that up so that the rich snippet will actually display? If anyone has an example of how I might be able to do that, I'd appreciate it very much if you could post it. Thanks in advance for your time and help. >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > Best wishes / Mit freundlichen Gr??en > > Martin Hepp > ----------------------------------------- > Hepp Research GmbH > Kuppelnaustra?e 5 > D-88212 Ravensburg, Germany > Phone +49 751 2708 5256-0 > Fax +49 751 2708 5256-9 > > Web http://www.heppresearch.com/ > eMail contact at heppresearch.com > Twitter heppresearch > Skype heppresearch > > > UStID: DE268 362 852 > Amtsgericht Ulm, HRB 724378 > Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Hepp > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Wed Sep 18 19:30:55 2013 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 19:30:55 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] Marking up services In-Reply-To: <5239E224.1060900@touchpointdigital.net> References: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> <5239E224.1060900@touchpointdigital.net> Message-ID: In GoodRelations and schema.org, there are, in theory, no mandatory properties, so you can always omit something. Of course, this may reduce the ability of a client to understand your data. In the case of rich snippets, Google requires certain properties in order to show a snippet. So if you ommit the price, you will only get reviews and maybe availability information in a snippet, or no snippet at all. Note that structured data is used in many other ways than just rich snippets by search engines, so it makes sense to add mark-up even if you cannot get a snippet. Martin On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David Deering wrote: > Thank you for response, Martin, and for those suggestions. But what if, because the price would vary so much, that you would prefer not to list a price? Is that even possible, or would the markup not validate and/or would the rich snippet not display in search results? For example, what if the service was web design? Prices for web design services could vary wildly, from $1000 to $25,000. So would I still be obligated to list the price or price range with the service or can I leave it out of the markup? > > > David Deering > Touch Point Digital Marketing > (504) 875-2225 > david at touchpointdigital.net touchpointdigitalmarketing.com > > > > On 9/18/2013 12:01 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: >> David: >> Quickly told: If you have different prices for different offers (e.g. men's haircut vs. women's haircut), then use TWO gr:Offering / schema:Offer entities with respective prices. >> >> Another solution is to model the generic service ("haircut for men and women") and indicate the price as a range. >> >> An example (yet from pre-schema.org times and not 100% valid according to today's standards) is >> >> >> http://plushbeautybar.com/services.html >> >> >> See also >> >> >> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsService >> >> >> Best >> >> Martin >> >> On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Deering wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, could anyone please give me an example of how I could mark up a business service with GoodRelations when the price of the service varies for each customer (for example, a haircut or some type of repair) ? Can I leave out the price somehow? And what if the service is performed at the place of business where there is no "delivery"? How could I mark that up so that the rich snippet will actually display? If anyone has an example of how I might be able to do that, I'd appreciate it very much if you could post it. Thanks in advance for your time and help. >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> goodrelations mailing list >>> >>> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >>> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> >> >> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! ================================================================= * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ From david at touchpointdigital.net Wed Sep 18 19:38:17 2013 From: david at touchpointdigital.net (David Deering) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:38:17 -0500 Subject: [goodrelations] Marking up services In-Reply-To: References: <5239D587.8030309@touchpointdigital.net> <5239E224.1060900@touchpointdigital.net> Message-ID: <5239E509.4000800@touchpointdigital.net> Thanks, Martin. I do agree with you on that point. Even though Google and the others may not show a rich snippet, having the markup on the site nevertheless helps them understand exactly what a business does and what certain elements of a web page are. So marking up a page is always valuable. There is some debate as to whether or not structured data on a page helps that page rank higher (and any thoughts you have on this I'd love to hear), but it only makes sense that search engines love structured data and it can only help a page in terms of SEO. David Deering Touch Point Digital Marketing (504) 875-2225 david at touchpointdigital.net touchpointdigitalmarketing.com On 9/18/2013 12:30 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: > In GoodRelations and schema.org, there are, in theory, no mandatory properties, so you can always omit something. > Of course, this may reduce the ability of a client to understand your data. > > In the case of rich snippets, Google requires certain properties in order to show a snippet. So if you ommit the price, you will only get reviews and maybe availability information in a snippet, or no snippet at all. > > Note that structured data is used in many other ways than just rich snippets by search engines, so it makes sense to add mark-up even if you cannot get a snippet. > > Martin > > On Sep 18, 2013, at 7:25 PM, David Deering wrote: > >> Thank you for response, Martin, and for those suggestions. But what if, because the price would vary so much, that you would prefer not to list a price? Is that even possible, or would the markup not validate and/or would the rich snippet not display in search results? For example, what if the service was web design? Prices for web design services could vary wildly, from $1000 to $25,000. So would I still be obligated to list the price or price range with the service or can I leave it out of the markup? >> >> >> David Deering >> Touch Point Digital Marketing >> (504) 875-2225 >> david at touchpointdigital.net touchpointdigitalmarketing.com >> >> >> >> On 9/18/2013 12:01 PM, Martin Hepp wrote: >>> David: >>> Quickly told: If you have different prices for different offers (e.g. men's haircut vs. women's haircut), then use TWO gr:Offering / schema:Offer entities with respective prices. >>> >>> Another solution is to model the generic service ("haircut for men and women") and indicate the price as a range. >>> >>> An example (yet from pre-schema.org times and not 100% valid according to today's standards) is >>> >>> >>> http://plushbeautybar.com/services.html >>> >>> >>> See also >>> >>> >>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsService >>> >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:32 PM, David Deering wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, could anyone please give me an example of how I could mark up a business service with GoodRelations when the price of the service varies for each customer (for example, a haircut or some type of repair) ? Can I leave out the price somehow? And what if the service is performed at the place of business where there is no "delivery"? How could I mark that up so that the rich snippet will actually display? If anyone has an example of how I might be able to do that, I'd appreciate it very much if you could post it. Thanks in advance for your time and help. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> goodrelations mailing list >>>> >>>> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >>>> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out GoodRelations for E-Commerce on the Web of Linked Data! > ================================================================= > * Project Main Page: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: