From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Mon Jun 8 20:32:21 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:32:21 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] Bestbuy.com goes Semantic Web the GoodRelations Way Message-ID: <4A2D5935.6090906@ebusiness-unibw.org> Hi all: Good news: Bestbuy.com goes Semantic Web the GoodRelations Way: http://tinyurl.com/bestbuy-goodrelations Best Martin Hepp -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast explaining the Web of Data for E-Commerce: ------------------------------------------------- http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Tool for registering your business: ---------------------------------- http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: ------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: ----------------------------------------- http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Upcoming events: --------------- Full-day tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey http://www.eswc2009.org/program-menu/tutorials/70 Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology More information: http://www.semantic-conference.com/session/1881/ Slides: http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: martin_hepp.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Wed Jun 10 11:02:34 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:02:34 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations now under the 25 most frequently used namespaces on the Web of Data Message-ID: <4A2F76AA.3090004@ebusiness-unibw.org> Dear all: As of today, GoodRelations has now rank 23 in the list of most popular Semantic Web namespaces with 1,780 RDF documents in the wild that use GoodRelations. Given that broad adoption did start only about ten weeks ago, this is quite an achievement. Much more is to come :-) Best wishes Martin Hepp -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast explaining the Web of Data for E-Commerce: ------------------------------------------------- http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Tool for registering your business: ---------------------------------- http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: ------------------------------------- http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: ----------------------------------------- http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Upcoming events: --------------- Full-day tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! 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They use Semantic Mediawiki, and their content is accessible in RDF. Would it be a good idea to convert their data to the GoodRelations format? I don't know how many companies are expressed, and writing an extraction script may not be trivial, but probably worth looking. Happy sparqling, Nicolas Raoul http://nrw.free.fr From steven.forth at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 13:44:13 2009 From: steven.forth at gmail.com (Steven Forth) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:44:13 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] MyBizWiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Or we could provide Good Relations forms for SMW (has trhis already been done?) and encourage the community to do it - have to be able to argue a compelling value story though. Steven Forth On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nicolas Raoul < nicolas.raoul.lists at gmail.com> wrote: > Dear all, > > The controversial website MyWikiBiz is believed to contain 42000 > entries about companies and individuals. They use Semantic Mediawiki, > and their content is accessible in RDF. > > Would it be a good idea to convert their data to the GoodRelations > format? I don't know how many companies are expressed, and writing an > extraction script may not be trivial, but probably worth looking. > > Happy sparqling, > Nicolas Raoul > http://nrw.free.fr > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > -- Steven Forth steven.forth at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Mon Jun 22 15:35:36 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:35:36 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] MyBizWiki In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A3F88A8.1050405@ebusiness-unibw.org> hi nicholas, that would be an excellent project for goodrelations data! Nicolas Raoul wrote: > Dear all, > > The controversial website MyWikiBiz is believed to contain 42000 > entries about companies and individuals. They use Semantic Mediawiki, > and their content is accessible in RDF. > > Would it be a good idea to convert their data to the GoodRelations > format? I don't know how many companies are expressed, and writing an > extraction script may not be trivial, but probably worth looking. > > Happy sparqling, > Nicolas Raoul > http://nrw.free.fr > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: martin_hepp.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kidehen at openlinksw.com Mon Jun 22 16:27:45 2009 From: kidehen at openlinksw.com (Kingsley Idehen) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 10:27:45 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] MyBizWiki In-Reply-To: <4A3F88A8.1050405@ebusiness-unibw.org> References: <4A3F88A8.1050405@ebusiness-unibw.org> Message-ID: <4A3F94E1.4010405@openlinksw.com> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: > hi nicholas, > that would be an excellent project for goodrelations data! > > Nicolas Raoul wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> The controversial website MyWikiBiz is believed to contain 42000 >> entries about companies and individuals. They use Semantic Mediawiki, >> and their content is accessible in RDF. >> >> Would it be a good idea to convert their data to the GoodRelations >> format? I don't know how many companies are expressed, and writing an >> extraction script may not be trivial, but probably worth looking. >> >> Happy sparqling, >> Nicolas Raoul >> http://nrw.free.fr >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> > Martin, Other sources are WikiCompany and Crunchbase. In both cases, since we have data sets and sponger cartridges respectively, I'll forward chain the DBpedia data re. WikiCompany to make a data set, and then tweak the Crunchbase cartridge. I'll look at MyWikiBiz re. cartridge. -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Mon Jun 22 23:54:58 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:54:58 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] [Fwd: [ebusiness-all] excellent resources for learning SPARQL] Message-ID: <4A3FFDB2.9010009@ebusiness-unibw.org> Dear all: Two excellent resources for learning SPARQL: http://www.cambridgesemantics.com/2008/09/sparql-by-example/ http://www.slideshare.net/LeeFeigenbaum/sparql-cheat-sheet Best Martin Hepp -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! 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Is wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with tie-ins to GR? [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ -- Thanks, -sherman I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers (3 John 1:2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Wed Jun 24 00:55:52 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 00:55:52 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> Hi Sherman: Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I never thought of this application before). Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than 200 euros: foo refers to the namespace of the example pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) foo:martinhepp a gr:BusinessEntity; gr:offers foo:myWant1. foo:myWant1 a gr:Offering ; gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . foo:myDreamTVSet a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." What do you think? Best Martin Sherman Monroe wrote: > Hi All, > I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and > needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or > properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and > Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse > auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two > would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see > where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is > wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with > tie-ins to GR? > > [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# > [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: martin_hepp.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 308 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kidehen at openlinksw.com Wed Jun 24 03:06:02 2009 From: kidehen at openlinksw.com (Kingsley Idehen) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:06:02 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> Message-ID: <4A417BFA.8060700@openlinksw.com> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: > Hi Sherman: > Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, > it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a > gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the > batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even > though I never thought of this application before). > > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive > than 200 euros: > > foo refers to the namespace of the example > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types > and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) > > foo:martinhepp > a gr:BusinessEntity; > gr:offers foo:myWant1. > > foo:myWant1 > a gr:Offering ; > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > foo:myDreamTVSet > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. > > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . > > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . > > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . > > > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could > introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of > "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. > > > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to > reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." > > What do you think? Neat! Kingsley > > Best > Martin > > > > > Sherman Monroe wrote: >> Hi All, >> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or >> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and >> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two >> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see >> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with >> tie-ins to GR? >> >> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > ======================================================================== > > Webcast: > http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" > http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > Tool for registering your business: > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > Overview article on Semantic Universe: > http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > Project page and resources for developers: > http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > Tutorial materials: > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > > -- Regards, Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen President & CEO OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com From steven.forth at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 12:51:40 2009 From: steven.forth at gmail.com (Steven Forth) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 06:51:40 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: <4A417BFA.8060700@openlinksw.com> References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> <4A417BFA.8060700@openlinksw.com> Message-ID: There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community. Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper level ontology, and site specific rules. My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked approaches to using different ontologies together. Steven On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: > > Hi Sherman: > > Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, > > it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a > > gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the > > batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even > > though I never thought of this application before). > > > > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at > > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive > > than 200 euros: > > > > foo refers to the namespace of the example > > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types > > and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) > > > > foo:martinhepp > > a gr:BusinessEntity; > > gr:offers foo:myWant1. > > > > foo:myWant1 > > a gr:Offering ; > > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; > > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; > > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > > > foo:myDreamTVSet > > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; > > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. > > > > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 > > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; > > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; > > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . > > > > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 > > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; > > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; > > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; > > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . > > > > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 > > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; > > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; > > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; > > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . > > > > > > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could > > introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of > > "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. > > > > > > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to > > reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, > etc." > > > > What do you think? > Neat! > > Kingsley > > > > Best > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > Sherman Monroe wrote: > >> Hi All, > >> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and > >> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes > or > >> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and > >> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse > >> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the > two > >> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see > >> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is > >> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN > with > >> tie-ins to GR? > >> > >> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# > >> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> goodrelations mailing list > >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > >> > > > > -- > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > martin hepp > > e-business & web science research group > > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > > skype: mfhepp > > twitter: mfhepp > > > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > > ======================================================================== > > > > Webcast: > > http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" > > http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > > > Tool for registering your business: > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > > > Overview article on Semantic Universe: > > http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > > > Project page and resources for developers: > > http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > > > Tutorial materials: > > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A > Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! > SearchMonkey > > > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > President & CEO > OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > -- Steven Forth steven.forth at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You just use a gr:Offering > with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the batteries supplied > in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I never thought of this > application before). > > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than > 200 euros: > > foo refers to the namespace of the example > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and > features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) > > foo:martinhepp > a gr:BusinessEntity; > gr:offers foo:myWant1. > > foo:myWant1 > a gr:Offering ; > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > foo:myDreamTVSet > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. > > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . > > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . > > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . > > > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce a > new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link between > a business entity and an offering. > > > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to reverse > all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." > > What do you think? > > Best > Martin > > > > > Sherman Monroe wrote: > > Hi All, > I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and > needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or > properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and > Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse > auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two > would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see > where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is > wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with > tie-ins to GR? > > [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# > [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > ======================================================================== > > Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > Tutorial materials: > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > -- Thanks, -sherman I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers (3 John 1:2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdmonroe at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 16:30:56 2009 From: sdmonroe at gmail.com (Sherman Monroe) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:30:56 -0500 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> <4A417BFA.8060700@openlinksw.com> Message-ID: Hi Steven, On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Steven Forth wrote: > There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community. > > Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve > independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper > level ontology, and site specific rules. > > > My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow > independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked > approaches to using different ontologies together. > > Seeing that Martin has produced/proposed such an elegant extension to GR (i.e. the seeks objectProperty), I suggest that the extension to GR be made. This will cover about 80% of what is offered by TIWAN. The rest is related to discussions (i.e. negotiations) linked to the offering, and these can be tied to GR data using SIOC, thus no further need to modifications. That leaves about 5% of TIWAN unaccounted for, this deals with service specific requests, but I have some ideas of how that can be covered with no mods to GR, please see my reply to Martin's comments for more. Cheers, -sherman > Steven > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > >> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: >> > Hi Sherman: >> > Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, >> > it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >> > gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >> > batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even >> > though I never thought of this application before). >> > >> > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >> > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive >> > than 200 euros: >> > >> > foo refers to the namespace of the example >> > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types >> > and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >> > >> > foo:martinhepp >> > a gr:BusinessEntity; >> > gr:offers foo:myWant1. >> > >> > foo:myWant1 >> > a gr:Offering ; >> > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >> > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >> > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >> > >> > foo:myDreamTVSet >> > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >> > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >> > >> > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >> > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >> > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >> > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >> > >> > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >> > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >> > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >> > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >> > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >> > >> > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >> > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >> > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >> > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >> > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >> > >> > >> > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could >> > introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of >> > "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. >> > >> > >> > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >> > reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, >> etc." >> > >> > What do you think? >> Neat! >> >> Kingsley >> > >> > Best >> > Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sherman Monroe wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >> >> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything >> classes or >> >> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want >> and >> >> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >> >> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the >> two >> >> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely >> see >> >> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >> >> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN >> with >> >> tie-ins to GR? >> >> >> >> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >> >> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> goodrelations mailing list >> >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > -------------------------------------------------------------- >> > martin hepp >> > e-business & web science research group >> > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >> > >> > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >> > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >> > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >> > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >> > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >> > skype: mfhepp >> > twitter: mfhepp >> > >> > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of >> Data! >> > ======================================================================== >> > >> > Webcast: >> > http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >> > >> > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >> > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" >> > http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >> > >> > Tool for registering your business: >> > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >> > >> > Overview article on Semantic Universe: >> > http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >> > >> > Project page and resources for developers: >> > http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >> > >> > Tutorial materials: >> > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A >> Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! >> SearchMonkey >> > >> > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >> President & CEO >> OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> > > > > -- > Steven Forth > steven.forth at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing list > goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org > http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > -- Thanks, -sherman I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers (3 John 1:2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You just use a gr:Offering > with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the batteries supplied > in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I never thought of this > application before). > > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than > 200 euros: > > foo refers to the namespace of the example > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and > features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) > > foo:martinhepp > a gr:BusinessEntity; > gr:offers foo:myWant1. > > foo:myWant1 > a gr:Offering ; > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > foo:myDreamTVSet > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. > > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . > > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . > > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . > > > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce a > new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link between > a business entity and an offering. > > > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to reverse > all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." > > What do you think? > The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented requests (or offers to buy). As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use sioc:replyTo, i.e. foo:Negotiation1 a sioc:Post sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1 sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond., just give me a call"^^xsd:String ... foo:theirOffer1 a gr:Offering ; sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1 gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ; gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . foo:betterOffer1 a gr:Offering ; sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1 gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ; gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions. I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN. -sherman > > > Best > Martin > > > > > Sherman Monroe wrote: > > Hi All, > I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and > needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or > properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and > Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse > auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two > would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see > where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is > wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with > tie-ins to GR? > > [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# > [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > ======================================================================== > > Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > Tutorial materials: > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > -- Thanks, -sherman I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers (3 John 1:2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven.forth at gmail.com Thu Jun 25 11:09:08 2009 From: steven.forth at gmail.com (Steven Forth) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:09:08 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> Message-ID: This association of GR and SIOC is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping to see. Good work Sherman. Have you written it up anywhere? Steven On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Sherman Monroe wrote: > Hi Martin, > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) < > martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: > >> Hi Sherman: >> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it >> is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I >> never thought of this application before). >> >> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than >> 200 euros: >> >> foo refers to the namespace of the example >> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and >> features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >> >> foo:martinhepp >> a gr:BusinessEntity; >> gr:offers foo:myWant1. >> >> foo:myWant1 >> a gr:Offering ; >> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >> >> foo:myDreamTVSet >> a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >> pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >> >> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >> a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >> gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >> >> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >> a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >> gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >> gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >> >> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >> a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >> gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >> gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >> >> >> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce >> a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link >> between a business entity and an offering. >> >> >> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." >> >> What do you think? >> > > The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a > "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only > thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented > requests (or offers to buy). > > As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the > sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To > link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use > sioc:replyTo, i.e. > > foo:Negotiation1 > a sioc:Post > sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1 > sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I > live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond., > just give me a call"^^xsd:String > > ... > > foo:theirOffer1 > a gr:Offering ; > sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1 > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > foo:betterOffer1 > a gr:Offering ; > sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1 > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > > Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while > enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions. > > I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the > above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN. > > -sherman > > >> >> >> Best >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> Sherman Monroe wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or >> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and >> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two >> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see >> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with >> tie-ins to GR? >> >> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> martin hepp >> e-business & web science research group >> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >> >> e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >> skype: mfhepp >> twitter: mfhepp >> >> Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! >> ======================================================================== >> >> Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >> >> Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >> "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >> >> Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >> >> Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >> >> Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >> >> Tutorial materials: >> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey >> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >> >> >> > > > -- > > Thanks, > -sherman > > I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul > prospers > (3 John 1:2) > -- Steven Forth steven.forth at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org Thu Jun 25 11:10:02 2009 From: martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org (Martin Hepp (UniBW)) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:10:02 +0200 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> <4A417BFA.8060700@openlinksw.com> Message-ID: <4A433EEA.6040406@ebusiness-unibw.org> Hi all: The "seeks" property will be added to the next service update, and related textual definitions of existing elements may be slightly modified when doing so. Martin Sherman Monroe wrote: > Hi Steven, > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 5:51 AM, Steven Forth wrote: > > >> There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community. >> >> Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve >> independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper >> level ontology, and site specific rules. >> >> >> > > >> My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow >> independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked >> approaches to using different ontologies together. >> >> >> > > Seeing that Martin has produced/proposed such an elegant extension to GR > (i.e. the seeks objectProperty), I suggest that the extension to GR be made. > This will cover about 80% of what is offered by TIWAN. The rest is related > to discussions (i.e. negotiations) linked to the offering, and these can be > tied to GR data using SIOC, thus no further need to modifications. That > leaves about 5% of TIWAN unaccounted for, this deals with service specific > requests, but I have some ideas of how that can be covered with no mods to > GR, please see my reply to Martin's comments for more. > > Cheers, > -sherman > > > >> Steven >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: >> >> >>> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sherman: >>>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, >>>> it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >>>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >>>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even >>>> though I never thought of this application before). >>>> >>>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >>>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive >>>> than 200 euros: >>>> >>>> foo refers to the namespace of the example >>>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types >>>> and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >>>> >>>> foo:martinhepp >>>> a gr:BusinessEntity; >>>> gr:offers foo:myWant1. >>>> >>>> foo:myWant1 >>>> a gr:Offering ; >>>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >>>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >>>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>>> >>>> foo:myDreamTVSet >>>> a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >>>> pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >>>> >>>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >>>> a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >>>> gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >>>> >>>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >>>> a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >>>> gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >>>> gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >>>> >>>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >>>> a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >>>> gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >>>> gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >>>> >>>> >>>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could >>>> introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of >>>> "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. >>>> >>>> >>>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >>>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, >>>> >>> etc." >>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>> Neat! >>> >>> Kingsley >>> > >>> >>>> Best >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sherman Monroe wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >>>>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything >>>>> >>> classes or >>> >>>>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want >>>>> >>> and >>> >>>>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >>>>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the >>>>> >>> two >>> >>>>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely >>>>> >>> see >>> >>>>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >>>>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN >>>>> >>> with >>> >>>>> tie-ins to GR? >>>>> >>>>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >>>>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> goodrelations mailing list >>>>> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >>>>> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> martin hepp >>>> e-business & web science research group >>>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>>> >>>> e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >>>> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >>>> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >>>> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>>> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>>> skype: mfhepp >>>> twitter: mfhepp >>>> >>>> Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of >>>> >>> Data! >>> >>>> ======================================================================== >>>> >>>> Webcast: >>>> http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >>>> >>>> Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >>>> "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" >>>> http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >>>> >>>> Tool for registering your business: >>>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >>>> >>>> Overview article on Semantic Universe: >>>> http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >>>> >>>> Project page and resources for developers: >>>> http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>>> >>>> Tutorial materials: >>>> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A >>>> >>> Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! >>> SearchMonkey >>> >>>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >>> President & CEO >>> OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> goodrelations mailing list >>> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >>> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Steven Forth >> steven.forth at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> >> > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! 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The power of mapping unfolds imo when you take things as equivalent that are only similar or related. One issue with mappings is that mappings between OWL DL ontologies and RDFS vocabs turn an otherwise clean OWL DL model into OWL Full, which may be undesirable. If you do only RDFS reasoning, that won't matter, but if you have to remain in the decidable DL fragment, then you rather abstain from including those mappings. This is why I favor separate sets of mapping rules / axioms that can be selected and added to a given RDF model as needed. In the case of GoodRelations, we will provide such rulesets at http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsOptionalAxiomsAndLinks#Useful_Rulesets Best Martin Steven Forth wrote: > There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community. > > Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve > independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper > level ontology, and site specific rules. > > My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow > independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked > approaches to using different ontologies together. > > Steven > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > >> Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: >> >>> Hi Sherman: >>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, >>> it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even >>> though I never thought of this application before). >>> >>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive >>> than 200 euros: >>> >>> foo refers to the namespace of the example >>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types >>> and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >>> >>> foo:martinhepp >>> a gr:BusinessEntity; >>> gr:offers foo:myWant1. >>> >>> foo:myWant1 >>> a gr:Offering ; >>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>> >>> foo:myDreamTVSet >>> a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >>> pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >>> >>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >>> a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >>> gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >>> >>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >>> a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >>> gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >>> gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >>> >>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >>> a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >>> gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >>> gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >>> >>> >>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could >>> introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of >>> "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. >>> >>> >>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, >>> >> etc." >> >>> What do you think? >>> >> Neat! >> >> Kingsley >> > >> >>> Best >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sherman Monroe wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >>>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes >>>> >> or >> >>>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and >>>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >>>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the >>>> >> two >> >>>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see >>>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >>>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN >>>> >> with >> >>>> tie-ins to GR? >>>> >>>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >>>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> goodrelations mailing list >>>> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >>>> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> martin hepp >>> e-business & web science research group >>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>> >>> e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >>> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >>> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >>> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>> skype: mfhepp >>> twitter: mfhepp >>> >>> Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! >>> ======================================================================== >>> >>> Webcast: >>> http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >>> >>> Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >>> "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" >>> http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >>> >>> Tool for registering your business: >>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >>> >>> Overview article on Semantic Universe: >>> http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >>> >>> Project page and resources for developers: >>> http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>> >>> Tutorial materials: >>> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A >>> >> Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! >> SearchMonkey >> >>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen >> President & CEO >> OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> goodrelations mailing list >> goodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.org >> http://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >> >> > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! 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In-Reply-To: <41217.203.97.223.64.1239497747.squirrel@www.3kbo.com> References: <49DDB3CE.6060804@ebusiness-unibw.org> <41217.203.97.223.64.1239497747.squirrel@www.3kbo.com> Message-ID: <4A43AC62.60406@ebusiness-unibw.org> hi richard: thanks for your excellent blog - apologies for my late reply, was/am buried beneath emails.... richard.hancock at 3kbo.com wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I wrote up a short description of using the GoodRelations Annotator on my > blog at http://blog.3kbo.com/2009/04/11/goodrelations/ "A GoodRelations > Semantic Web Description of a Business". > > A couple of questions: > > 1. Do you have some examples detailing the relationships between > BusinessEntitys and also with the people involved with the business? > > currently, any relationship between a business entities and its members except for contact details it outside the scope of goodrelations. i think that using foaf or other existing vocabs for that is the best approach. > 2. I'm struggling a bit with the size of eClassOwl. What is the best way > of using it in order to minimize the time it takes to load the definition > of a specific item, e.g. > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/ontologies/eclass/5.1.4/#C_AKJ317003-tax ? > in the next annotator release, we will make using eclassOWL an option only and recommend dbpedia URIs in the first place. (once eclassOWL is cached, dereferencing should be faster, anyway) there is also a major update (6.0) planned for later this year. we will give up the monolithic approach of having one super-large file for the sake of a more granular way of serving the ontology definitions. i also think that in the future, many business will describe what they are offering by textual elements attached to a ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder node. This means they can easily populate from semistructured product databases. On the other hand, it narrows down the NLP part of matchmaking to a much smaller problem - you will know that the node is a ProductOrService instead of having large chunks of text. > Would have like to be able to get to your tutorial > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/Web_of_Data_for_E-Commerce_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > but not possible at this stage. > The tutorial was recorded and will be published at videolectures.net shortly (full length with slides). Also, the Web page will shortly be updated. Note that we have similar tutorials at IEEE CEC 09 in Vienna (July 20), ACM/IEEE WI /IAT 09 in Milan, and a pending proposal to ISWC09. Best Martin > All the best, > > Richard Hancock. > > > > > > >> Dear all: >> >> We are proud to announce the release of the GoodRelations Annotator, a >> form-based tool that will help any business in the world to create a >> description of its offerings suitable for the Web of Data, >> and that in less than 5 minutes. >> >> The tool is available at >> >> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >> >> It creates a straightforward yet complete description of the key aspects >> of a typical business using the GoodRelations vocabulary and current >> Semantic Web standards. >> >> The resulting RDF/XML file can be either directly published on the >> company's Web site or used as a skeleton for developing a more >> fine-grained description with price information etc. >> >> The work on the tool has been funded by the Oesterreichische >> Forschungsfoerderungsgesellschaft GmbH (FFG) and the Austrian >> Bundesministerium fuer Verkehr, Innovation und Technologie (BMVIT) under >> the myOntology project in the FIT-IT "Semantic Systems" program >> (contract number 812515). >> >> Please help spread the word. >> >> Best wishes >> Martin Hepp >> http://www.heppnetz.de >> http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ >> >> Tool: >> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >> >> GoodRelations Project: >> http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/ >> >> Webcast (15 Minutes) >> http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------------- martin hepp e-business & web science research group universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen e-mail: mhepp at computer.org phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) skype: mfhepp twitter: mfhepp Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! ======================================================================== Webcast: http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology" http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp Tool for registering your business: http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ Overview article on Semantic Universe: http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe Project page and resources for developers: http://purl.org/goodrelations/ Tutorial materials: Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! 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Thanks Steven On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) < martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: > Hi Steve, > I share your opinion: I would include directly into a given ontology only a > few rock-solid mappings. Most useful mappings are not generally valid, and > most generally valid mappings are practically useless. The power of mapping > unfolds imo when you take things as equivalent that are only similar or > related. > > One issue with mappings is that mappings between OWL DL ontologies and RDFS > vocabs turn an otherwise clean OWL DL model into OWL Full, which may be > undesirable. If you do only RDFS reasoning, that won't matter, but if you > have to remain in the decidable DL fragment, then you rather abstain from > including those mappings. > > This is why I favor separate sets of mapping rules / axioms that can be > selected and added to a given RDF model as needed. In the case of > GoodRelations, we will provide such rulesets at > > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelationsOptionalAxiomsAndLinks#Useful_Rulesets > > Best > Martin > > > Steven Forth wrote: > > There is a deeper issue here that we should think about as a community. > > Should ontologies be merged or should they be allowed to exist and evolve > independently, and be used together through name spacing, an simple upper > level ontology, and site specific rules. > > My own opinion is that at this point in time it is better to allow > independent evolution and diversity and find light and loosely linked > approaches to using different ontologies together. > > Steven > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Kingsley Idehen wrote: > > > > Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote: > > > Hi Sherman: > Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, > it is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a > gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the > batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even > though I never thought of this application before). > > Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at > least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive > than 200 euros: > > foo refers to the namespace of the example > pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types > and features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) > > foo:martinhepp > a gr:BusinessEntity; > gr:offers foo:myWant1. > > foo:myWant1 > a gr:Offering ; > gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; > gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; > gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . > > foo:myDreamTVSet > a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; > pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. > > foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 > a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . > > foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 > a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; > gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; > gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . > > foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 > a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; > gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; > gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; > gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . > > > In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could > introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of > "offers" to link between a business entity and an offering. > > > That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to > reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, > > > etc." > > > What do you think? > > > Neat! > > Kingsley > > > > > Best > Martin > > > > > Sherman Monroe wrote: > > > Hi All, > I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and > needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes > > > or > > > properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and > Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse > auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the > > > two > > > would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see > where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is > wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN > > > with > > > tie-ins to GR? > > [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# > [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > ======================================================================== > > Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > Tutorial materials: > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A > > > Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! > SearchMonkey > > > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > Kingsley Idehen Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen > President & CEO > OpenLink Software Web: http://www.openlinksw.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------- > martin hepp > e-business & web science research group > universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen > > e-mail: mhepp at computer.org > phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 > fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 > www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) > http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) > skype: mfhepp > twitter: mfhepp > > Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! > ======================================================================== > > Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ > > Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: > "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp > > Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ > > Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe > > Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ > > Tutorial materials: > Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey > http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 > > > -- Steven Forth steven.forth at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdmonroe at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 16:04:52 2009 From: sdmonroe at gmail.com (Sherman Monroe) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:04:52 -0500 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> Message-ID: Hi Steve, On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Steven Forth wrote: > > This association of GR and SIOC is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping to > see. Good work Sherman. > Thanks, kind to say :) > Have you written it up anywhere? > Not yet, but a blog post at minimum is in order I think, which I'll probably write up. -sherman > > Steven > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Sherman Monroe wrote: > >> Hi Martin, >> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) < >> martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Sherman: >>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it >>> is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I >>> never thought of this application before). >>> >>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than >>> 200 euros: >>> >>> foo refers to the namespace of the example >>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and >>> features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >>> >>> foo:martinhepp >>> a gr:BusinessEntity; >>> gr:offers foo:myWant1. >>> >>> foo:myWant1 >>> a gr:Offering ; >>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>> >>> foo:myDreamTVSet >>> a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >>> pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >>> >>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >>> a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >>> gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >>> >>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >>> a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >>> gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >>> gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >>> >>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >>> a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >>> gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >>> gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >>> >>> >>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could introduce >>> a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to link >>> between a business entity and an offering. >>> >>> >>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >> >> The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a >> "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only >> thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented >> requests (or offers to buy). >> >> As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the >> sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To >> link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use >> sioc:replyTo, i.e. >> >> foo:Negotiation1 >> a sioc:Post >> sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1 >> sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I >> live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond., >> just give me a call"^^xsd:String >> >> ... >> >> foo:theirOffer1 >> a gr:Offering ; >> sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1 >> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; >> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ; >> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >> >> foo:betterOffer1 >> a gr:Offering ; >> sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1 >> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; >> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ; >> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >> >> >> Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while >> enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions. >> >> I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the >> above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN. >> >> -sherman >> >> >>> >>> >>> Best >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sherman Monroe wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or >>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and >>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two >>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see >>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with >>> tie-ins to GR? >>> >>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> martin hepp >>> e-business & web science research group >>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>> >>> e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >>> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >>> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >>> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>> skype: mfhepp >>> twitter: mfhepp >>> >>> Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! >>> ======================================================================== >>> >>> Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >>> >>> Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >>> "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >>> >>> Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >>> >>> Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >>> >>> Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>> >>> Tutorial materials: >>> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey >>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks, >> -sherman >> >> I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your >> soul prospers >> (3 John 1:2) >> > > > > -- > Steven Forth > steven.forth at gmail.com > -- Thanks, -sherman I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul prospers (3 John 1:2) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven.forth at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 18:07:15 2009 From: steven.forth at gmail.com (Steven Forth) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:07:15 -0400 Subject: [goodrelations] GoodRelations and TIWAN ontology In-Reply-To: References: <4A415D78.7050504@ebusiness-unibw.org> Message-ID: Thanks Make sure to let know. Steven On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Sherman Monroe wrote: > Hi Steve, > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:09 AM, Steven Forth wrote: >> >> This association of GR and SIOC is exactly the sort of thing I am hoping >> to see. Good work Sherman. >> > > Thanks, kind to say :) > > > >> Have you written it up anywhere? >> > > Not yet, but a blog post at minimum is in order I think, which I'll > probably write up. > > > -sherman > > >> >> Steven >> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Sherman Monroe wrote: >> >>> Hi Martin, >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Martin Hepp (UniBW) < >>> martin.hepp at ebusiness-unibw.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sherman: >>>> Thanks - Briefly: I think we should integrate the efforts. Basically, it >>>> is simple to model wants and needs in GoodRelations. You just use a >>>> gr:Offering with the gr:BusinessFunction gr:Sell - this goes with the >>>> batteries supplied in the current version of GoodRelations (even though I >>>> never thought of this application before). >>>> >>>> Example: I am interested in buying one TV set with a screen size of at >>>> least 30 centimeters, and i am not interested in offers more expensive than >>>> 200 euros: >>>> >>>> foo refers to the namespace of the example >>>> pcs refers to the namespace of a fictuous ontology for product types and >>>> features (e.g. eclassOWL or others) >>>> >>>> foo:martinhepp >>>> a gr:BusinessEntity; >>>> gr:offers foo:myWant1. >>>> >>>> foo:myWant1 >>>> a gr:Offering ; >>>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Buy; >>>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 ; >>>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>>> >>>> foo:myDreamTVSet >>>> a pcs:TVSet , gr:ProductOrServiceSomeInstancesPlaceholder; >>>> pcs:hasScreenSize foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1. >>>> >>>> foo:QuantitativeValueFloat_1 >>>> a gr:QuantitativeValueFloat ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "CMT"^^xsd:string ; >>>> gr:hasMinValueFloat "30.0"^^xsd:float . >>>> >>>> foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 >>>> a gr:TypeAndQuantityNode ; >>>> gr:amountOfThisGood "1.0"^^xsd:float ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"@en ; >>>> gr:typeOfGood foo:myDreamTVSet . >>>> >>>> foo:UnitPriceSpecification_1 >>>> a gr:UnitPriceSpecification ; >>>> gr:hasCurrency "EUR"^^xsd:string ; >>>> gr:hasMaxCurrencyValue "200.0"^^xsd:float ; >>>> gr:hasUnitOfMeasurement "C62"^^xsd:string . >>>> >>>> >>>> In order to make this a bit more beautiful an powerful, I could >>>> introduce a new objectproperty "seeks" that is used instead of "offers" to >>>> link between a business entity and an offering. >>>> >>>> >>>> That would be a minimal change to the vocabulary but would allow to >>>> reverse all BusinessFunctions (e.g. seeks maintance, seeks disposal, etc." >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>> >>> The gr:seeks property is brilliant! This will allow GR to encompass a >>> "buyer's market" in one fell swoop. I've gone through TIWAN and the only >>> thing unaccounted for would be discussions/negotiations and service oriented >>> requests (or offers to buy). >>> >>> As for negotiations, we could make the object of the gr:offers/gr:seeksproperty the >>> sioc:topic of a sioc:Post to link to the natural language discussion. To >>> link the structured reply offers and counter-offers, we could use >>> sioc:replyTo, i.e. >>> >>> foo:Negotiation1 >>> a sioc:Post >>> sioc:topic foo:theirOffer1 >>> sioc:content "I can get you that after I get off work tonight, I >>> live around the block from you and have this set in my garage, great cond., >>> just give me a call"^^xsd:String >>> >>> ... >>> >>> foo:theirOffer1 >>> a gr:Offering ; >>> sioc:replyTo foo:myWant1 >>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; >>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:UnitPriceSpecification_2 ; >>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>> >>> foo:betterOffer1 >>> a gr:Offering ; >>> sioc:replyTo foo:theirOffer1 >>> gr:hasBusinessFunction gr:Sell; >>> gr:hasPriceSpecification foo:LowerUnitPriceSpecification_3 ; >>> gr:includesObject foo:TypeAndQuantityNode_1 . >>> >>> >>> Does that make sense? Using sioc:replyTo would cover negotiations, while >>> enabling eBay-style auctions as well as reverse auctions. >>> >>> I'm pleased to see that Services are indeed covered by GR. Other than the >>> above example, I see no need to continue development of TIWAN. >>> >>> -sherman >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Best >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sherman Monroe wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> I've considering the GoodRelations ontology for overdogg.com wants and >>>> needs. Looking at the GR spec [1], I am not able to see anything classes or >>>> properties for describing wants/needs. I created the Things You Want and >>>> Need (TIWAN) ontology[2] to model wants/needs as well as reverse >>>> auction-style marketplace. I would like to know if a merge between the two >>>> would be something that you would be interested in. I can definitely see >>>> where GR plugs into TIWAN, e.g. to describe providers/suppliers. Is >>>> wants/needs within the scope of GR, or should I continue using TIWAN with >>>> tie-ins to GR? >>>> >>>> [1] http://www.heppnetz.de/ontologies/goodrelations/v1# >>>> [2] http://overdogg.com/ontology/tiwan/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> goodrelations mailing listgoodrelations at ebusiness-unibw.orghttp://ebusiness-unibw.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/goodrelations >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> martin hepp >>>> e-business & web science research group >>>> universitaet der bundeswehr muenchen >>>> >>>> e-mail: mhepp at computer.org >>>> phone: +49-(0)89-6004-4217 >>>> fax: +49-(0)89-6004-4620 >>>> www: http://www.unibw.de/ebusiness/ (group) >>>> http://www.heppnetz.de/ (personal) >>>> skype: mfhepp >>>> twitter: mfhepp >>>> >>>> Check out the GoodRelations vocabulary for E-Commerce on the Web of Data! >>>> ======================================================================== >>>> >>>> Webcast:http://www.heppnetz.de/projects/goodrelations/webcast/ >>>> >>>> Talk at the Semantic Technology Conference 2009: >>>> "Semantic Web-based E-Commerce: The GoodRelations Ontology"http://tinyurl.com/semtech-hepp >>>> >>>> Tool for registering your business:http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/tools/goodrelations-annotator/ >>>> >>>> Overview article on Semantic Universe:http://tinyurl.com/goodrelations-universe >>>> >>>> Project page and resources for developers:http://purl.org/goodrelations/ >>>> >>>> Tutorial materials: >>>> Tutorial at ESWC 2009: The Web of Data for E-Commerce in One Day: A Hands-on Introduction to the GoodRelations Ontology, RDFa, and Yahoo! SearchMonkey >>>> http://www.ebusiness-unibw.org/wiki/GoodRelations_Tutorial_ESWC2009 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -sherman >>> >>> I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your >>> soul prospers >>> (3 John 1:2) >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Forth >> steven.forth at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > > Thanks, > -sherman > > I pray that you may prosper in all things and be healthy, even as your soul > prospers > (3 John 1:2) > -- Steven Forth steven.forth at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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